Thomas Metzinger Cristina Jinga
Tunelul Eului: știința minții și mitul sinelui
August 14, 2019 Comments.. 403
Tunelul Eului tiin a min ii i mitul sinelui Vechiul ndemn al filozofiei cunoa te te pe tine nsu i pare s nu mai aib sens acum c nd neuro tiin a vine s ne spun c noi oamenii nu avem propriu zis un sine Ea ne demonstreaz elocvent prin expe
  • Title: Tunelul Eului: știința minții și mitul sinelui
  • Author: Thomas Metzinger Cristina Jinga
  • ISBN: 9789735048471
  • Page: 491
  • Format: Paperback
  • Vechiul ndemn al filozofiei, cunoa te te pe tine nsu i , pare s nu mai aib sens acum, c nd neuro tiin a vine s ne spun c noi, oamenii, nu avem propriu zis un sine Ea ne demonstreaz elocvent, prin experimente f cute asupra creierului, c suntem, fiecare dintre noi, un m nunchi de fenomene psihice i neuronale, n l at pe sol fiziologic Suntem, pe scurt spus, unVechiul ndemn al filozofiei, cunoa te te pe tine nsu i , pare s nu mai aib sens acum, c nd neuro tiin a vine s ne spun c noi, oamenii, nu avem propriu zis un sine Ea ne demonstreaz elocvent, prin experimente f cute asupra creierului, c suntem, fiecare dintre noi, un m nunchi de fenomene psihice i neuronale, n l at pe sol fiziologic Suntem, pe scurt spus, un ceva care se crede cineva n numele onestit ii intelectuale, care ne ar obliga s recunoa tem toate acestea, Thomas Metzinger scrie o carte pasionant , care ne nf i eaz nu doar noile descoperiri din tiin a creierului, dar reu e te totodat s retrezeasc n noi ntrebarea fundamental cine suntem Suntem Ma ini Eu, sisteme naturale de procesare a informa iei, ap rute n procesul de evolu ie biologic de pe aceast planet Eul este o unealt una care a evoluat pentru a controla i a prezice comportamentul propriu i n elegerea comportamentului altora Fiecare dintre noi i tr ie te via a con tient n propriul Tunel al Eului, nu n direct contact cu realitatea exterioar , ci posed nd o perspectiv l untric , de persoana nt i Thomas METZINGER
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    1. Greg says:

      This is quite simply one of the best books on consciousness I ve ever read I really want to do this book justice with a fantastic review, and I don t know if that s possible But I m going to do my best Consciousness is really the last frontier of neuroscience and philosophyholy grail might be a apt terminology Sure, there are lots of other unanswered questions in the sciences, but besides maybe some questions about the fundamental makeup of our universe, we at least know HOW to go about answeri [...]

    2. Blaine says:

      Never mind that Buddhist philosophers have pointed out the ultimate nonexistence of the self for about twenty five centuries, with hundreds of great minds in major world cultures that created vast literatures containing detailed arguments, treatises, and textual commentaries all based in a highly refined phenomenological methodology called meditation combined with reason, logic, and argument among numerous competing schools of refined thought in India, China, Tibet, Japan, Korea, and SE Asian co [...]

    3. Alexis says:

      I am going to demonstrate the inferiority of your intelligence to you by spouting fantastically complex and seemingly endless sentences They will make your short term buffer collapse, because you cannot integrate them into a single temporal gestalt any You won t understand a thing, and you will have to admit that your tunnel is smaller than mine My favorite quote so far

    4. Will says:

      Honestly, I don t know whether it s from reading way too many neuroscience books or just reading too many philosophy books, but there was nothing I felt was added to my experience from reading this book It s a discussion of consciousness from a philosophical perspective that takes the neuroscience into account but having taken the neuroscience into account, there s little left to do besides document it and equate it to the internal experience This is unproductive in itself, because the nature of [...]

    5. RK-ique says:

      Having long since come to the conclusion that self is is right up there with souls, gods, and angels, I saw The Ego Tunnel as the an opportunity to explore where philosophy and neuroscience were on the subject While I would like to say that Metzinger gave me solid grounds for his point of view, I must say that I m disappointed to some extent I have two basic complaints with the book.One is that he is very selective in his evidence gathering He has chosen neuroscientific reports carefully to supp [...]

    6. Lynne Williamson says:

      I obstinately resist the tunnel metaphor, insisting on a bubble metaphor Now, after thinking about this web concept based on Google s page rank technology, I am picturing an Ego Web a multidimensional, highly complex, node interdependent web a web slowly constructed by our brains in conjunction with our senses to form our ego This web metaphor gets rid of the time aspect of a tunnel Time is then an ego web construction After reading several books about brain structure The Accidental Brain and eg [...]

    7. Denis Vasilev says:


    8. Miles says:

      I came to this book by way of science fiction author Peter Watts, whose excellent novel Blindsight was influenced by Thomas Metzinger s philosophy The Ego Tunnel is the best book I ve read about consciousness since Antonio Damasio s Self Comes to Mind Damasio and Metzinger have much in common, but I ultimately prefer Metzinger s approach as a neuroscientist, Damasio focuses mostly on the technical issues of how consciousness is constructed, whereas Metzinger s philosophical background prompts hi [...]

    9. David Peak says:

      I decided to read this because Metzinger s philosophy of consciousness is discussed at great length in Thomas Ligotti s The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, which is a book I am always trying to better understand I m fascinated by the concept of phenomenal selves, the problems of consciousness and perception, and I hoped that this book would support these ideas with a rigorous, scientific understanding of the brain For the most part, The Ego Tunnel accomplishes this task, but it does so in an [...]

    10. Kaj Sotala says:

      Nice discussion of Metzinger s theory of consciousness His basic claim is that what humans tend to think of as a self is what he calls a phenomenal self model PSM As the name suggests, the PSM is the brain s model of the organism as a whole, and includes things such as a model of the organism s body The PSM is situated within a broader world model of the environment that the organism exists in Metzinger claims that the reason why we experience there being thing such as selves is that there has b [...]

    11. AnaVlădescu says:

      I genuinely enjoy reading science books, and this was right up my alley I am a Psychology student and much of the research in this work relates specifically to this particular science There is, however, a lot of neuropsychology that I didn t understand As much as I tried, parts of this book, in their science terminology and understanding, remain in the dark for me That isn t to say that some day it won t be possible for me to properly understand the ideas presented in this book that exceeded my [...]

    12. Frank Jude says:

      Thomas Metzinger is one of those rare philosophers who take neuro science and cognitive science and the implications coming from the extensive research on the brain and consciousness seriously In fact, seriously enough to engage in cognitive science research himself and in collaboration with other scientists The importance for this engagement cannot be overly emphasized Most of the book is an argument for the self as an emergent phenomenon of our biology, which in certainly backed by the evidenc [...]

    13. Paulina says:

      I approached this book thinking it would be an integration of philosophy and neuroscience I was wrong, and disappointed Metzinger philosopher by profession seems to explain consciousness as in chiefly philosophical terms, supporting his argument by cherry picked cognitive neuroscience findings This cherry picking is what angered me the most, especially when combined with the moral high ground from which the author a field of science in which he s not an expert Approved by a philosopher, hence it [...]

    14. Jason says:

      Starts well, but gets entangled in nihilistic navel gazing I think it s a wonderful recap on neuroscience and the dawning realization of another path of science discovering its root paradox This has happened in math with Godel s incompleteness theorems and Quantum Mechanics for physicists.A part for the whole can be seen in his basic misconception of Buddhism as a nihilistic path, when a cursory review would reveal Gautama and other Buddhists argue against both eternalism e.g no thing we can cal [...]

    15. Jackson Childs says:

      Metzinger is obviously very well informed about the latest research in consciousness The most valuable part of this book is his synthesis of this research into his theory of the ego tunnel He provides a plausible, step by step argument for how the brain generates the mind For that alone the book is worth reading However, the book has some major problems It could be that some of these problems arise because of Metzinger s intention to write a book for the general reader, and that consequently Met [...]

    16. Book says:

      The Ego Tunnel The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self by Thomas Metzinger The Ego Tunnel is the fascinating book about the myth that is the self Using modern philosophy and cognitive neuroscience, philosopher Thomas Metzinger shatters any notion of the self while making difficult concepts such as the nature of consciousness accessible to the masses This book was a very educational and enlightening experience This 288 page book is composed of the following nine chapters 1 The Appearance [...]

    17. Rhys says:

      The best part for me was the ethical philosophical social issues surrounding the acceptance of no one ness as the reality of our existence.

    18. G says:

      Who is the feeler of our feelings and the dreamer of our dreams you ll know exactly what I mean, and it s a chilling feeling It happens to me maybe once ortwice a year, and it comes without warning I ll be standing in front of the mirror, brushing my teeth, and I look at myself and suddenly think Who s in there Or, Who s that I m groping here for the words to express how odd it is to think about your own consciousness, your own self awareness In those weird moments in front of the mirror, I feel [...]

    19. Andrei Khrapavitski says:

      For those seeking some coherent philosophy coming from continental Europe, Thomas Metzinger is your man A couple of his books are on my reading list I haven t yet read Being No One The Self Model Theory of Subjectivity, but I hear it s good The one I ve just finished is The Ego Tunnel The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self, and it is on a similar subject So here s a brief review.The big claim of the book is that there is no such thing as a self Contrary to what most people believe, nob [...]

    20. Kevin says:

      With this book, Metzinger furthers an encouraging trend in academia superstar theoreticians are writing accounts of their work for the layman His book is carved into three parts The first summarizes his theory of consciousness, as rigorously developed in Being No One The second introduces his theory of self hood in the context of clinical neuroscience The third discusses the imminent social conflict that will erupt as the public acquaints itself with the increasingly surprising results of cognit [...]

    21. Maggie says:

      science fiction writers will enjoy this book for the rest of us, it s poppycock i ll never get those hours back i felt i HAD to go the distance to be sure of his intent and because the purely fictional quality of the book had me stunned wondering how far his what ifs would go i found out he wants to rule the world through chemistry and clever human boundary stretching even though some current legitimate brain research fueled some of his supportive details, most of his chapters were developed off [...]

    22. Alex Zakharov says:

      Yes, yet another book on consciousness but a pretty good one Thomas Metzinger is a philosopher who heavily collaborated with a number of neuroscientists and his perspective is fairly technical Not as technical as the quest for consciousness by Christof Koch but certainly technical than the likes of Daniel Dennett The ego tunnel is a general audience version of his magnum opus being no one which quite frankly is too long and too expensive.The book is uneven some chapters are excellent, but some [...]

    23. Teo 2050 says:

      5h 2x Contents view spoiler AcknowledgmentsIntroduction The Phenomenal Self ModelPart I The Consciousness Problem1 The Appearance of a World2 A Tour of the Tunnel The One World Problem The Unity of Consciousness The Now Problem A Lived Moment Emerges The Reality Problem How You Were Born as a Naive Realist The Ineffability Problem What We Will Never Be Able to Talk About The Evolution Problem Couldn t All of This Have Happened in the Dark The Who Problem What Is the Entity That Has Conscious Exp [...]

    24. Paul says:

      This book is good for a few reasons I appreciated the breakdown of the consciousness problem It was also interesting to take a dive into the aspects of phantom limbs, out of body experiences, and lucid dreaming The bad outweighed the good for me however For a book that does very little to tie what s said to scientific results, and mostly seems to be the synthesis of the authors opinion, I found it difficult to absorb.Other aspects that I did not appreciate are harder to pinpoint, but at times it [...]

    25. Sera says:

      This book presents an overview of consciousness in the human being and then delves into some very interesting discussions around creating ego machines and whether we should manipulate peoples consciousness so that they will feel and ultimately act in certain ways Metzinger s answers here are no and maybe , respectively Metzinger does a nice job of asking the right questions and creating a context within which to consider them even though he doesn t offer any concrete solutions He is leaving that [...]

    26. Cal Thunder Hawk says:

      This is the most interesting book I ve read so far on the topic of consciousness About a month ago, less than 20% through the book, I found myself looking into Husserl s Phenomenology in my attempt to understand Metzinger s ideas Metzinger refers to his work This, in turn, led to other Phenomenological philosophers, philosophers who were influenced by Husserl and or Phenomenology and the background, and uses, of their research technique It s all very interesting, so far This ancillary reading al [...]

    27. Nicholas says:

      Towards the end of the book the author admits that he is a philosophical parasite and that he feels indebted to the public for having used their funds,and is therefore attempting to make amends by elucidating the most current theories in consciousness research.I would say he has redeemed himself fully by producing a clear and not too technical book that is readable and informative and enhances the understanding of what it means to experience consciousness,how it evolved and where it is going.

    28. Theresa says:

      Really thought this one would go a little deeper It was a lot of fluff.

    29. Barry Belmont says:

      Could I really appreciate anything about this book If I could, I did If I can t, something might have.

    30. Chant says:

      Eastern philosophers said that the self didn t exist before it was cool to say so in analytic philosophy Pretty good book in the philosophy of mind nonetheless though.

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